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Hints and Tips
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Do this before removing the suspension arms from the car. Afterwards is much more difficult
as the arms has to be held very tightly. The Citroen manual doesn't cover this well. The drum brakes are on the end of the suspension arm. Attached to the arm itself is the backplate, and coming out of the centre of this is a single large threaded post. Attached to the backplate is the hydaulic brake cylinder and the brake shoes.
The drum is held onto the threaded post by means of a 44mm nu. This will be very tight but
can be shocked free with the right socket and a 2ft bar struck firmly with a sledgehammer. The drum will be difficult to remove, but once the nut is off should slide off the central post.
In the centre of the drum is a wide bearing locking ring. This has to opposed cutouts, and it
is an absolute b******d to remove. To make matter worse it is also used on the front uprights. If you don't need to change the bearings, don't touch it. If you do, then you won't be able to tap it round, so don't try. Even with the right tool, you will need two people and a very long and strong pole as a lever. The hardest part is having something strong enough to hold it whilst you undo the ring. Best bet is to remove it whilst on the hub, and use wood over the wheel studs extending to the ground to stop the wheel rotating. The ring is also "peened" to the hub itself (this means that the boundary between the ring and hub has been hit with a punch, effectivley overlapping the two as a safety feature). These have to be drilled, but it is straight forward
In the end, I used a 6mm drill, drilled straight in at the cutouts , effectivley cutting the ring
in half, and then removing it. It was quick, but I'll need to get a new ring when re-building.
You will also probably find that the rear shoe eccentric adjusters have seized. These should
just pull off with the shoe, mine needed brute force. |
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Note: these are for a 1986 2CV with disc brakes. Yours may be different.
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These have the same locking ring as mentioned above, with all of the same problems. The
main thing to note is that the bearings are supposed to have some play"in and out", so don't try and replace them if they slide in and out a little. Haynes shows this in its cutaway drawing, but isn't explicit. I wonder how many have been replaced unnecessarily? |
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The kingpins themselves are smallish tubes with drillings for greasing that link the uprights
(the bits with the hubs attached to them) to the suspension arms to allow steering.
Removing the top and bottom caps is easy enough, but the kingpins will be hard to get out.
The tip is is make sure the drift is the right size, then hit it harder. To give you some idea, I was using the drift from 2CV tools, and I hit it from over my head with a sledgehammer, even so, it only moved on the second strike. Heat is apparently a bad idea as it warps the fittings the tube goes in, a bad idea with an interference fit item. |
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These are mounted on taper fit pins. Once the retaining nuts are removed, they will pull free,
but to break the taper seal you will need some form of puller and you must cut away the anti- rattle rubbers between the arms and rack tube first. Don't try levering against the rack itself as it will deform the sliding plate and/or runners, causing steering problems. |
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make sure that the ignition key is in the lock and turned to the second position before tring
to remove the ignition assembly. When the key is just inserted or not there at all, a metal block seats in a recess on a collar clamped to the steering column, and with this in place, the ignition assembly cannot be removed. |
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The gaskets look as though they will fit either way around - they don't! Check the clearance
where the pushrod tubes come through the barrel, if the gasket is the wrong way around it will overlap these tubes. |
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The citroen design is old and tends to use a hammer to crack a nut. This most apparent in its
use of wide apperture threaded holes. The edges of these threads get damaged easily, making re-insertion of the rings, bolts etc. very difficult. When you are stripping down, re- insert the bearing locking rings and kingping bottom threaded plugs whilst you are working on them to protect the threads. If you damage irrepairably one of the threads on the swivel, for example, a new swivel is over 100 pounds. A new plug is about a fiver! |
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BMW engine fitting and mating to gearbox
The basic problem to overcome is mating the 2CV gearbox to the engine so that:
- The crankshaft centerline is the same as the gearbox input shaft
- The clutch assembly can be mounted on the flywheel
- The clutch plate and gearbox input shaft match (No of splines etc.)
- The clutch lever has sufficient throw to release the clutch plate
The kit that Phil provides modifies the gearbox bellhousing by adding a mating plate with holes
that align with the bolt holes in the block (allowing the gearbox to be attached to the engine). This mod also reduces the bellhousing depth as the back of the block is recessed to house the flywheel and therefore some depth needs to be taken from the bellhousing to compenate. Also supplied is a modified (heavier) flywheel, new flywheel bolts and a shortened clutch release lever.
Here are some lessons I learned (the hard way)
- Before starting, the tip of the gearbox input shaft needs to be removed with an angle grinder.
Make sure that the resulting face on the input shaft has a heavy and even 45o chamfer added. Clean the flywheel with de-greaser and then white spirit.
- Make sure that the engine is at TDC (Top Dead Centre) and stays there.
- The block has two rear lugs on it which are used to mount the engine in the bike. These are not
needed and get in the way of the gearbox, so have to be cut off and ground flush with the block casting. It is quite a leap of faith to attack an engine block with an angle grinder, but the metal seems quite thick here. Use a grinding wheel designed for dressing welds. Also note that on top of the block "tail" there is a raised center rib - I had to flatten this to stop the clutch release lever fouling. Make sure no metal falls into the recess in the block.
- Fit the original BMW ring gear, which is what the starter motor teeth act on to turn the engine
over. This is attached to the flange side of the flywheel i.e. the opposite side to the clutch. It is connected via six small dome head allen bolts which fit into recesses in the ring gear - make sure they are recessed as space in the the block recess is tight.
- Then fit the flywheel which goes in "flange towards the engine". To do this you need to remove
the original flywheel adapter as fitted by BMW. This is a plate that has a central raised "nipple" and sits on the end of the crankshaft within the rear seal - it just pulls off as it is normally held in place by the flywheel bolts. Also make sure that the engine timing marks on the ring gear can be seen through the timing inspection hole in the block with the engine at TDC - if there are no marks add one with a dab of paint.
- If you have renewed the rear engine seal (and I hope that you have) the flywheel fit will be
tight. Put high melting point grease on the seal to make it fit more easily - make sure the 5 retaining bolts are tight. Once the flywheel is in there is very little room to get behind it and move it again, so make sure that the ring gear is on properly first so that you don't have to remove it again. If you can, cut the head off an old flywheel bolt and put a slot in the top, then screw it into the crank face to act as a locating dowel - the slot allows you to remove it afterwards with a screwdriver.
- Make sure you have fitted the clutch cable before mating engine and gearbox - it is almost
impossible afterwards.
- Trial fit the gearbox to engine. You will probably need to remove a couple of mm of metal from
the bottom of the adapter plate on the bellhousing. This allows a bit of rotation to align the input shaft splines with the clutch plate- the tail of the block limits the rotation here. Remember to add a little grease to the splines (but not so much that there is a lump of excess left over that can get on the clutch plate). Look at the splines and clutch plate and try and align them by eye before attempting to mate them. When they are mated make sure that the clutch release lever does not foul the rib on the "tail" of the block.
- If the gearbox won't mate to the engine with about 2cm gap, then the splines will be engaged
and the problem will probably be where the end of the gearbox input shaft is passing through the centre of the flywheel - this won't happen if you have made a good chamfer on the end of the shaft. You can see how far they are mated by looking how far up the splines the grease has been pushed.
If this all sounds complicated, it took me four hours to do all of the above, mate the engine and
gearbox and fit it into the car. 3 hours was working out how much metal to remove from lugs, mating plate and center rib, and generally "staring it into submission". It isn't difficult, just be methodical, do it step by step and make sure that you adhere to the torque settings for the bolts. |
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Connecting these together is not obvious, and it needs patience – if you aren't in a good mood,
walk away and do something else.
First of all you need to get the spats shaped. The way to do this is to get a large piece of flat
MDF. Lay the cycle wing on its side and draw around the INNER edge onto the MDF. The line should be longer than the length of the spat. Use a jigsaw or similar to cut through the board along the line.
Now draw a line along the straight side of the spat 10mm in from the edge. GENTLY bend the spat
so that it approximates the curve you have cut in the board and then push the spat through the slot so that only the 10mm edge protrudes above the board – this will form exactly the right curve for the spat. Now bend the 10mm section over towards the outside of the curve – doing this whilst stopping the spat sliding up and down is difficult so be patient. The flange needs to be bent over to about 80 degrees – use a thin piece of wood and a a rubber mallet to get this right. Repeat the above as appropriate until all of the cycle wings are done.
Important. You have right and left handed spats, front and back. Make sure that you get the right
orientation of curve/flange for each cycle wing. You will need to turn the board over to achieve this.
The next job is to work out where you drill the holes in the 10mm flange. Take a cycle wing and
using a set square measure the width of the rolled bead from the outer edge of the cycle wing. Note this is width not depth, offer up the spat to make this clear. Halve this figure and add 1mm, this is the distance in from the inside edge of the flange bend on the spat that the holes have to be drilled in the flange. Drill these with a 3mm drill at 60mm centers. Make sure that the holes line up. If there are any slight errors, widen the holes in the spat appropriately, NOT the holes in the bead
Now clamp the spat to the cycle wing being careful to make sure that the spat if tight up against
the wing edge. Centre punch the rolled bead through the holes you have drilled – if you have measured correctly then the holes in the flange will be directly over the peak of the bead. You are going to drill through the rolled bead but NOT right through to the outside of the wing, so put some tubing around the 3mm drill such that only 2-3mm of the tip of the drill protrudes and don't put a lot of pressure on when drilling, take your time.
When you have drilled all of the holes, you attach the spats to the wings using short 3.2mm
standard head rivets. These won't pull directly – insert the rivet as far as it will go, pull it slightly with the rivet gun and then push it in further. Once the head is flush with the flange then it can be fully pulled. |
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If you are not using the 2CV headlights but are using new ones from suppliers such as Stafford
Vehicle Componments, Europa etc., then you have two choices in how to fit them. The first option is modify the headlamps for side mounting directly into the lamp bar on the chassis, the second is to fabricate an angled bracket that attaches to the light bar and allows the headlight to sit upright.
To my mind, the former option looks cleaner. If you choose to follow this option the following
explains how to do it.
The headlight you have will doubtless have the harness exiting the shell through a hollow mounting
bolt, which is a problem in this type of mounting, and the hollow bolt will have an odd thread.
First of all, mark each shell, bezel and headlight as off side or nearside with sticky labels, tie
tag etc. Now put a sticky label across the shell, bezel and headlamp and draw a line on the label that goes across all of them. Repeat this at exactly 90 degrees (clockwise or counterclockwise depending upon which side the headlight is going on), and then use a knife to cut through the label along both the bezel/shell joint and bezel/headlight joint. The best way to find 90 degrees quickly is to put a piece of string that goes exactly around the bezel/shell joint and mark where it passes the line you drew above, then remove the string, measure it and mark off a quarter of its length from the mark you made before. Re-apply the string and look to see where the marks are.
Remove the bezel and headlight from the shell – the wires will go with them. The headlight will be
held in the bezel with "W" clips. Note the exact orientation of the clips as they can go in either way, but only one is right. Remove the clips carefully and rotate the headlight within the bezel by 90 degrees using the marks you made on the sticky labels earlier. Re-insert the "W" clips (usually lots of cursing required here).
Now take the shells, remove the hollow bolts and replace with an M12 domehead socket setscrew.
This allows the shell to connect to the light bar, however there is now no exit for the wires. This is resolved by drilling through the shell. There will be a grommet on the wires, so drill the appropriate sized hole for that grommet, and drill it so that the wires exit horizontally behind the bolt, and as near to it as possible, when the shell is bolted to the light bar – this is important as it keeps the wires away from the hot exhaust. Also note that the light you received had other holes which are drain holes for water, you will need to drill a new one at the lowest point (as it appears when it is fitted) of each shell .
Bolt the shell to the light bar trying to get it as square to the car as possible. Run the wires
through the grommet/hole and connect them up. Offer the bezel/headlight upto the shell and test the beam. Adjust the shell until the beam is correct (this is a fiddle) and then finally attach the bezel/headlight assembly to the shell. |
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When you have finished re-building your brake system, there are couple of potential problems. The
first is a spongy pedal, the second is a pedal that pushes to the floor, and only firms up after it has been fully pushed once or twice. The 2CV braking system is as simple as it gets, but here is how to tackle the problems. I have put them in the order in which they should be carried out - don't start half way down the list. I am assuming the braking system has been overhauled and that all new seals etc. have been fitted and the car has disk brakes and uses LHM. If it doesn't the procedures are probably still valid, but I have no experience.
1) First of all check that there is no fluid weeping from any of the unions or bleed nipples.
2) Confirm that you have the pipes correctly installed at the master cylinder. The front outlet from
the master cylinder i.e. the one furthest from the pedal, goes to the rear brakes. The rear outlet goes to the front brakes.
3) Bleed the system. The number of curly pipes in the 2CV system creates lots of traps for air
pockets. The best solution is to use an eesi-bleed. If you don't have one of these then it will need two of you.
4) Set-up the rear drums. This is critical as they aren't self adjusting, but it isn't easy. The shoes
must be exactly concentric to the drum and must be within 1mm clearance from the drum braking surface. Follow the procedure in the Haynes manual closely
5) Leave the car for 24hrs, and then without touching the pedal remove the drum and examine the
gap between the piston and the end of the brake shoe. There should be no gap - if there is then you have the problem with the wheel cylinders. IMPORTANT - make sure you have set up the shoes properly before doing this as if they are not adjusted properly, you will still have the same problem, although the cause will be different.
Apparently the wheel cylinders Citroen originally made had a high friction sealing ring between
piston and cylinder, these are now unobtainable, so a more modern rubber one is used. This has low friction, especially when in contact with LHM. Because of this the strong rubber dust cover can push the piston back into the cylinder slightly, meaning that the first pedal depression is sloppy as the piston is not contacting the brake shoe i.e. the first depression only takes up the slack.
Two ways of resolving this. First is to remove the dust covers altogether and put a smear of grease
around the piston/cylinder joint, second is just to cut the dust cover around the piston and remove the bit attached to the piston, so that the dust cover no longer applies any force to it.
6) If you still have problems, then the likely cause is the master cylinder. Either replace the seals or
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